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New State Bill Could Require Gun Owners to Have Liability Insurance

Two State Assemblyman argue if car owners are required to own it, so should gun owners.

Bay City News Service

State Assemblymen Phil Ting (D-San Francisco) and Jimmy Gomez (D-Los Angeles) introduced legislation Tuesday that would require gun owners to purchase liability insurance.

Assembly Bill 231 would require the owners to cover damages incurred from incidents stemming from their firearms.

"The government requires insurance as a condition of operating a car - at the very least we should impose a similar requirement for owning a firearm," Ting said in a statement.

Gomez said, under the legislation, individuals would receive a more affordable policy if they use a trigger lock for their firearms and take part in training courses.

Ting on Tuesday also introduced Assembly Bill 232, which would provide state income tax credits for people who participate in local gun buyback programs, with a cap of $1,000.

"Gun buyback programs are an effective way to reduce the number of guns in circulation, and lower the risk of intentional or accidental damage by these weapons," Ting said.

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Tim February 11, 2013 at 12:33 am
Lets say for a second that we use "Ting's" logic... If my car stays on my property then I do NOT need to purchase auto insurance. Similarly, if I do not conceal carry my firearm and it stays on MY property 100% of the time then I should not have to purchase insurance.
Rob Rich February 11, 2013 at 12:38 am
Tim,
In the 60's scientists in Livermore came up with the "Flying Crowbar." http://www.merkle.com/pluto/pluto.html A nuclear powered Mach 3 low altitude ramjet missile carrying multiple nuclear warheads. Does the 2nd Amendment cover that too? I didn't see it in there.
Rob Rich February 11, 2013 at 12:41 am
I want you to keep your bullets on your own property.
Albert Rubio February 11, 2013 at 01:33 am
The problem Rob, is that the evidence is not consistent when you look at various countries. I see evidence going in all directions and would not be decisive even if it were. It is like smoking and alcohol. I don't claim they are healthy, but banning them is the worst thing you could do.
My statement however is about the effectiveness of voluntary gun buyback programs, not actual gun control. The article you cite relates to "a mandatory buy-back program for newly banned weapons." which is not what I nor this article is about. The ONLY good thing about the buyback program in discussion here is that it is voluntary. These are my thoughts.
Albert Rubio February 11, 2013 at 01:35 am
I suspect you want a great deal more than that Rob.
Albert Rubio February 11, 2013 at 01:47 am
As a practical guiding principle I would suggest that the weaponry available to people should be the same as that available to the police.
It makes as much (or more) sense to disarm the police as it does to disarm the citizenry. The simple reason is that the people need it for the same reasons, self defense. Self defense is a responsibility of each person and not a privilege or gift of the state.
Albert Rubio February 11, 2013 at 01:52 am
Rob, what kind of scientists would work on such a project dangerous to society. Why work on a project that no one would have a need for?
Where did the money come from? this could not have been cheap.
Fred Eiger February 11, 2013 at 01:55 am
Isn't Rob Rich just another ambulance chasing Attorney?
Tim February 11, 2013 at 01:56 am
The Second Amendment also doesn't state that "arms" are restricted to black powder muzzle loaders either. The Founding Fathers could have easily added that but they didn't. I'm not sure that citizens should have access to all firearms available to law enforcement, but certainly we should at least have access to the same kinds of guns that criminals have access too so we aren't outgunned in defending ourselves and our families. That would mean not restricting semi-autos or magazines.
Fred Eiger February 11, 2013 at 01:56 am
Another example of complete idiocy by the thise morons in the Democrat Party. When don't we have an insurance policy based on likihood of criminal behavior? But, then all the welfare cases wouldn't buy it anyway.
Tim February 11, 2013 at 01:59 am
I try Rob. That's what marksmanship is all about. If only law enforcement could hit the broad side of the barn. Perhaps you want to disarm the police too? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/22/empire-state-building-shooting-chenin-duclos-sues-nypd_n_2526361.html
Timothy Swenson February 11, 2013 at 01:59 am
It seems odd to compare guns with automobiles, but hey, why not.
1994 was a high point on the number of deaths by guns, when 17,000 deaths were accounted in the US. In 1995 (the nearest year with data) there were 41,800 deaths due to automobile accidents. In 2004, there were only 11,000 deaths by guns. That same year, there were 42,800 deaths due to automobile accidents. 2009 was a low year for auto accidents with only 33,800 deaths. When comparing automobiles to guns, automobiles are far more dangerous and cause far more deaths. Maybe it's automobiles that should be facing limits on it's use. When it comes down to it, there is no comparison between automobiles and guns. They are far different, treated different, and have different purposes. Forcing liability insurance is an attempt to limit guns through financial means and really only benefits the insurance industry. Previous posters are correct in that most guns sued to commit murder are used by people that will not care about the liability insurance. If someone is bold enough to attempt to shoot someone else, they sure are not going to be bothered by a minor issue as insurance. This will only affect the law abiding citizen, and not in a positive way.
Rob Rich February 11, 2013 at 02:02 am
Tim, I like that, any guns that criminals have access to. I think that's about all of them, right? Maybe not what Iran is working on, but certainly grenade launchers (though maybe not open carry @ Starbucks...)
Rob Rich February 11, 2013 at 02:04 am
Ouch
Tim February 11, 2013 at 02:25 am
I'm not aware of any cases of common criminals using grenade launchers in a crime. Perhaps you could provide some statistics to back that up?
Rob Rich February 11, 2013 at 02:41 am
Good point, I have not heard of grenade launchers being used by criminals yet. So I guess that means they're still not "legal"?
vince February 11, 2013 at 11:38 am
This is a joke!!!!!!! only in California this whole gun crap is out of control because of some whacked out kid on mind altering drugs people need to wake up !!!!!! And create jobs things that are important
YENRAB February 11, 2013 at 02:20 pm
I don't understand why lawmakers continue to make up laws that addresses the symptoms instead of the cause. If we start executing people who uses a firearm in a crime in a speedy manner, people would think twice about using a firearm. We wouldn't have to address all the other symptoms. The criminal justice system is such a joke that harden criminals aren't even afraid of it, especially in California. Why do civil rights of the criminals outweigh the civil rights of law abiding citizens?
The insurance idea is a joke, since most homeowners/renters insurance would cover accidental firearm discharge, as along as it's not an 'intentional' act.
Frank Mockery February 11, 2013 at 02:55 pm
How about extending the waiting period to sixty days leaving ample time for more thorough background checks (criminal records,psychological testing & interviews with family,neighbors & employers). Anyone who wants to retain the firearms they already have should be required to submit to the same background checks as those purchasing weapons & anyone who refuses should be arrested & prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Besides anyone who thinks they need an AK17 to protect their Second Amendment rights against the federal government (ATF,FBI,etc.) has no business being armed in the first place. If it wasn't for irresponsible gun dealers & gun owners criminals wouldn't have access to tens of millions of guns (legally & illegally obtained) now ! The biggest whiners are the right-wing wackos & militia kooks who're livid with the direction the country is moving (becoming more liberal & progressive) & are willing to start shooting to force their political agenda on the majority of Americans who vehementally disagree. The fact that a large proportion of them threaten to start shooting if the government tries to seize their firearms is as predictable as it is frightening. These individuals are a danger to themselves & their communities & disarming these morons should be just as big a priority as disarming criminals. The delusional are stocking up on guns & ammo like armageddon is next week which begs the question just who exactly are they planning to shoot,probably you & me !!
Warren February 11, 2013 at 03:02 pm
This is just a back door way to make gun ownership harder. Just like "voter ID" for "voter fraud", there is no real evidence of any widespread problem being solved by requiring gun insurance. I hate it when politicians make up stuff just to forward their own political goals.
Francis Sena February 11, 2013 at 03:54 pm
What`s an AK17?
Guns February 11, 2013 at 07:35 pm
So, because I'm a firearm owner with excellent skills and ample ammo who was hunting at the age of 9 and have been quite comfortable around weapons of all types as rea MAN should, I'm a danger to myself and my community? Furthermore, I'm a moron and should be disarmed just as quickly as a criminal should?? What institution were you just released from? If or when all hell breaks loose, yours, are the kind I will have no problem turning away from my food, water, and protective services. Good luck.
Edward February 12, 2013 at 12:55 am
This law would amount to "Registering you firearms" so authorities could come and get them in the future (Germany 1933) What should be done is every homeowners policy must include the insurance, automaticly, for Homeowners or renters Insurance. An extention of the liabilty insurance you already have. It would cover the owner, Guests of the homeowner or renter and inherited guns from those family memebers who have left the guns to their children. A rider would not require the registration or the count in any house hold. Making people claim exclusions for locks or gun safes automaticly brings in Registration laws. Accidental discharge and Damage would be covered but use in the commision of a crime would be "Not Covered" just like all other insurance policies.
Edward February 12, 2013 at 01:17 am
I am sure he ment an AK-47. 7.67 round firing semi-automatic, large clip weapon. There are hundreds of different varieties of large clip, combat weapons, that are modified for general use by making them semi-automatic, rather than selectable fully automatic. They are so intimidating in looks, just brandishing one can intimidate an intruder to run. No one realy wants to use one on another person unless they are criminals. Just walking out your back door with one with a large "Banana Clip" will make the intruder jump back over your fence. Of course, you walk out with one, when a COP shows up, and your DEAD.
We have a right to defend ourselves against criminals and must be as well armed as they are to do so. We won't pay taxes to keep a COP on every block so keeping a gun is the next best thing. A Deringer can be just a deadly as an AK 47 but is less intimidating and you you might just have to use the Deringer wher the AK 47 may never ever be fired. Just like small women get raped but big muscular ones are left alone. Criminals never want to take on more than they can chew. They are cowards and use guns to give them the fortitude they lack in themselves. Less than .001 % of guns are ever used in crimes. That is less than homeowner's DOGS biting someone, yet the Dog is covered by your homeowners insurance and the Gun is not?
Edward February 12, 2013 at 01:24 am
Yes, why not insure knives, swords, bows and arrows and even Baseball Bats. They are all Lethal in the Wrong hands. Automobiles are even deadlyer, if someone desides to go through a Flea market and run as many over as they can. They can never pass a law that anything, used in the commision of a crime, will be insured against by any insurance Company. It is a ploy to Register All Fireames in California...Period.
Edward February 12, 2013 at 01:29 am
Insurance companies will not cover anything used in the "commision of a crime" and the best the State could to is "Acidental discharge and damage" cause by a firearm and most homowners policies cover accidental dischagre already under the
"liabilty " portion of their policy..
Edward February 12, 2013 at 01:32 am
Go to Texas, buy cheap guns at a show, and turn them in in California and double your money. Sounds like a great "suplimental Income Strategy " for Seniors when their Social Security gets Cut.
Edward February 12, 2013 at 01:37 am
Genade lauchers are used by poachers in Africa to kill elephants. Supplied by the USA to "Friendly Governments " which sell them for profit to the "Highest Bidder". The USA is the Bigest Arms supplier in the world and we "Reap what we Sow".
Tim February 12, 2013 at 02:15 am
Germany 1933? How about New Orleans 2005?
David February 12, 2013 at 11:04 am
Don't forget that a majority of gun deaths when reported generically are suicides. While tragic, presumably not really preventable by liability insurance.
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